Yes the crazy sci-fi font is hard to read, but I have to give them props for being unique. I even like the grammatical mistakes, it's so different than the ultra-polished stuff we usually see here. This project has personality!
If you zoom in it's pretty cool how each letter is a matrix of squares, but agreed - very challenging and distracting to try and read when the end result looks interlaced.
I've got a dot matrix printer somewhere in a box that could reprint that site with all the dot lines, if I manage to find it and connect to a computer. I can't remember if it has a serial or parallel port.
At first I thought Artanis was a new font! And even reading the text I couldn't shake the impression that they were offering me this weird font with each character cut up by horizontal lines.
When I zoomed in it looks kind of cute. Maybe I should download the Artanis font after all.
I know we're not supposed to go off on website stuff (per guidelines: "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage") but jfc who thought this design was even remotely a good idea?
Somebody who doesn't want the same bland, boring, homogenized look that every other website in the world is using?
Personally I like a site that shows a bit of personality. It's quirky, but for an open source web framework written in Guile, it looks about perfect to me.
I don't see any unreadable parts and found it very readable. I guess yet again saved by not downloading random web fonts onto my machine or not running random JS. Yay! Blocking unnecessary traffic for the win!
It's definitely a design non-conforming with the current customs, but it's also a fine choice for this type of project. It feels like bland minimalist design has become so prevalent that people are horrified by any deviation from the expected norm. Not everything has to be designed for maximum contrast and readability, sometimes projects require a bit of flair.
> In the beginning, Artanis was largely inspired by Ruby on Rails to generate the scaffold code as possible. And the URL remapping API was inspired by Sinatra, another web framework of Ruby. That's why it's named "Artanis", since it's the revserse of "Sinatra".
And here I thought (and I'm assuming others, based on the cheeky comments) it was named for the Starcraft character.
I know, not an amazing alternative imo as they're also saying it takes a long time. I just wish I didn't need to be all in into Guix to easily play around with such projects, which aside from that, look really cool.
Did you catch that page there aside from the manual, where they describe how to install it on Ubuntu? https://artanis.dev/blog/build-0.6-ubuntu.html it seems quite detailed, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to get through.
You can use guix on any GNU/Linux distro afaik. If you create a guix profile for a project, it should be fairly simple to use that to install artanis. With guix time-machine you can also make reproducible setups, to ensure you can run your stuff years later.
But the most basic use of installing artanis in the default profile should also work.
Where do you see the difficulties installing artanis with guix?
;; NOTE: I won't encourage using Racket but if you really want,
;; I still give you some hints in this tutorial. But the
;; tutorial will base on Guile and RnRs.
Not sure. I could imagine it being because it is no longer a Scheme, or the creators and maintainers do no longer want it to be seen as a Scheme. Or perhaps because it introduces differences not adhering to the Scheme standards and therefore Schemers do not like it.
I liked Racket. I only found it difficult to use multiple cores dynamically with it and its places concept and lifting and multiple Racket VMs and all that. Guile seems easier in that regard. But Racket has typed racket and more advanced macro system ...
I think it's cool too! People can be so pedestrian when it comes to these things, and so upset when there's a deviation from the norm. Both Artanis' manual and the nice scheme tutorial use interesting fonts and layouts (and clear to read!).
Oh wow I wish that font was even remotely readable
Yes the crazy sci-fi font is hard to read, but I have to give them props for being unique. I even like the grammatical mistakes, it's so different than the ultra-polished stuff we usually see here. This project has personality!
"You have personality. That's not necessarily a good personality, but you have some!"
The code font is more readable than the rest of the website: https://artanis.dev/scheme.html
The code font is somewhat more readable but the syntax highlighting color choices then shoot that marginal improvement right in the foot.
Barely. It's extremely annoying that a left parenthesis looks like a capital C.
Scheme! Now that is some code I have not seen in a long time.
Dot matrix printer that's low in ink
Good thing there's reader mode, with a nice and large default system font
Oh, I thought it was quite fun, and still found it easily readable
Looks amazing with JS turned off!
It looks like the DUNE font:
https://www.dafont.com/dune-rise.font
That is horrible.
I did not see it at first as I had JS off. Once I allowed JS the font loaded and .. yuck.
If you zoom in it's pretty cool how each letter is a matrix of squares, but agreed - very challenging and distracting to try and read when the end result looks interlaced.
Agree, had to pop this into chrome devtools to get through the page:
let newStyle = document.createElement('style'); newStyle.innerHTML = 'body { font-family: "Verdana"; background-color: #eee}'; document.head.appendChild(newStyle);
I've got a dot matrix printer somewhere in a box that could reprint that site with all the dot lines, if I manage to find it and connect to a computer. I can't remember if it has a serial or parallel port.
Oh, that's terrible. There's a reason we don't have dot matrix printers anymore.
it would be slightly better if it were black background and green ink
for me zooming out to 67% worked fine
Strangely true.
At first I thought Artanis was a new font! And even reading the text I couldn't shake the impression that they were offering me this weird font with each character cut up by horizontal lines.
When I zoomed in it looks kind of cute. Maybe I should download the Artanis font after all.
I know we're not supposed to go off on website stuff (per guidelines: "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage") but jfc who thought this design was even remotely a good idea?
Somebody who doesn't want the same bland, boring, homogenized look that every other website in the world is using?
Personally I like a site that shows a bit of personality. It's quirky, but for an open source web framework written in Guile, it looks about perfect to me.
I agree and it's a fun look. If anyone actually can't read it, the reader mode button is available and works just fine.
I don't see any unreadable parts and found it very readable. I guess yet again saved by not downloading random web fonts onto my machine or not running random JS. Yay! Blocking unnecessary traffic for the win!
It's definitely a design non-conforming with the current customs, but it's also a fine choice for this type of project. It feels like bland minimalist design has become so prevalent that people are horrified by any deviation from the expected norm. Not everything has to be designed for maximum contrast and readability, sometimes projects require a bit of flair.
> it's a web application framework written in Guile Scheme
> In the beginning, Artanis was largely inspired by Ruby on Rails to generate the scaffold code as possible. And the URL remapping API was inspired by Sinatra, another web framework of Ruby. That's why it's named "Artanis", since it's the revserse of "Sinatra".
And here I thought (and I'm assuming others, based on the cheeky comments) it was named for the Starcraft character.
You're not as wrong as you think you are.
"Have you ever said my name backwards? There is a strange music to it" - Artanis (SC2 LOTV)
> GNU Artanis is both the official project of GNU operating system, and HardenedLinux community.
In what capacity is Artanis an official project of the HardenedLinux community? I'm curious what this means.
The Executor struggles to decipher the font of the document.
Looks cool but I wish it were available with other package managers than guix :'( It makes a kinda hard to try out just for fun.
If you just want to try it out you can compile it from source, see <https://www.gnu.org/software/artanis/manual/manual.html#org3...>.
I know, not an amazing alternative imo as they're also saying it takes a long time. I just wish I didn't need to be all in into Guix to easily play around with such projects, which aside from that, look really cool.
They say it takes a long time to build Guile, the Scheme compiler, not Artanis. I can build guile in less than 2 minutes on my old laptop.
On my POWER9 system it took 45 minutes.
Did you catch that page there aside from the manual, where they describe how to install it on Ubuntu? https://artanis.dev/blog/build-0.6-ubuntu.html it seems quite detailed, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to get through.
Otherwise, you don't have to change OS to run guix the package manager, it can be installed on a "foreign distro", i.e., on top of Debian, or something else. Details here https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Installation.html
You would then use your "guix" command at the terminal to download any of the 29,253 packages here https://packages.guix.gnu.org/ (or just artanis).
You can use guix on any GNU/Linux distro afaik. If you create a guix profile for a project, it should be fairly simple to use that to install artanis. With guix time-machine you can also make reproducible setups, to ensure you can run your stuff years later.
But the most basic use of installing artanis in the default profile should also work.
Where do you see the difficulties installing artanis with guix?
It's available on AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/artanis (bit outdated though)
Nice thanks!
Nice! is it R7RS compatible? or just specific to Guile?
https://artanis.dev/scheme.html
Why does Racket have this "bad" reputation in the Scheme community?
Not sure. I could imagine it being because it is no longer a Scheme, or the creators and maintainers do no longer want it to be seen as a Scheme. Or perhaps because it introduces differences not adhering to the Scheme standards and therefore Schemers do not like it.
I liked Racket. I only found it difficult to use multiple cores dynamically with it and its places concept and lifting and multiple Racket VMs and all that. Guile seems easier in that regard. But Racket has typed racket and more advanced macro system ...
I love their homepage.
Perhaps it's time for an eye exam?
What's not to like?
I think it's cool too! People can be so pedestrian when it comes to these things, and so upset when there's a deviation from the norm. Both Artanis' manual and the nice scheme tutorial use interesting fonts and layouts (and clear to read!).
En Taro Adun!
I'm sure this web framework will have many zealots.
We know it has at least one arbiter!